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Genre=Adventure, Comedy; directed by=Nick Bruno; Brad Copeland; Year=2019; countries=USA; 4402 vote. Maybe it was the recliner chairs in the theater, but I struggled to keep my eyes open during the first half of the movie. Nobody was laughing in a near-full theater.
But. by the 2nd half, the main story got defined, the jokes were better and the action made sense. Plus, there were some good laughs (though almost all from little children.
I like the actors involved and the idea for the movie, but I think this is a little too simple-minded for adults; it's definitely a kids movie.

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Tygett and the Reynes of Castamere Tygett rode with Tywin when Tywin reasserted Casterly Rock's authority over the Tarbecks and the Reynes in 261 AC, the year after the War of the Ninepenny Kings: Determined to erase years of humiliation, [Tywin]… rode forth himself with five hundred knights and three thousand men-at-arms and crossbowmen behind him. His brothers Kevan and Tygett went with him, one as a knight, one a squire. (Westerlands Essay) Tyg witnessed the slaughter of the Tarbecks and Tarbeck Hall collapsing on Ellen Tarbeck (nee Reyne)— "When Tarbeck Hall came crashing down on Lady Ellyn, that scheming bitch, Tyg claimed [Tywin] smiled then. " (FFC J V) —as well as Tywin wiping out the Reynes by flooding their hall, begetting the song The Reynes of Castamere. Now, consider the build-up to Tyrion first laying eyes on the man I believe is his uncle Tyg: A juggler began the evening's frolics. Then came a trio of energetic tumblers. After them the goat-legged boy came out and did a grotesque jig whilst one of Yurkhaz's slaves played on a bone flute. Tyrion had half a mind to ask him if he knew " The Rains of Castamere. " As they waited their own turn to perform, he watched Yezzan and his guests. The human prune in the place of honor was evidently the Yunkish supreme commander, who looked about as formidable as a loose stool. A dozen other Yunkish lords attended him. Two sellsword captains were on hand as well, each accompanied by a dozen men of his company. One was an elegant Pentoshi, grey-haired and clad in silk but for his cloak, a ragged thing sewn from dozens of strips of torn, bloodstained cloth. (DWD Ty X) That shoe-horned reference to The Rains of Castamere is there for a reason: because Tatters is Tygett, who was present for the events inspiring it. Tatters Lannister and Bloodbeard, the Last Lord Tarbeck Tatters and Bloodbeard of the Company of the Cat hate each other. Bloodbeard… made no secret of his disdain for "old greybeards in rags. " (DWD tWB) Bloodbeard and the Tattered Prince despise each other. (DWD tQG) If Tatters is Tygett Lannister, it would make sense for his arch-rival Bloodbeard to be the Last Lord Tarbeck, whose house (together with their intermarried allies, the Reynes of Castamere) Tygett Lannister once helped destroy. Bloodbeard has "fiery red" hair and great appetites to match: Bloodbeard, from the Company of the Cat, made enough noise for him and a dozen more. A huge man with a great bush of beard and a prodigious appetite for wine and women, he bellowed, belched, farted like a thunderclap, and pinched every serving girl who came within his reach. From time to time he would pull one down into his lap to squeeze her breasts and fondle her between the legs. (DWD Dae VIII) She spied Brown Ben's weathered face and Bloodbeard's fiery red whiskers and long braids. (Dae IX) It's pretty clear that the Reynes were red heads. Their sigil was a Red Lion. Ellyn Tarbeck nee Reyne's father was known as "The Red Lion". Her son Tion Tarbeck was dubbed "Tion the Red", and GRRM's Westerlands essay is explicit: he was "a lusty red-haired boy". Tion was killed with Ellen, but both Tion's "the Red" epithet and him being "lusty" are consistent with Bloodbeard being his nephew, the "Last Lord Tarbeck", son of Tion's older sister, Rohanne Tarbeck (who was probably named after the red-headed future-Lannister Rohanne Webber of The Sworn Sword). Tion being "lusty" comports perfectly with Bloodbeard's "prodigious appetite for wine and women. " Tion's name seems it could hint at Bloodbeard's identity as well. It recalls Genna Lannister's son Tion Frey, who (along with his cousin) is murdered by Rickard Karstark. We're never told which boy is which, but consider the motifs of Tion's death scene: The blond boy had been trying to grow a beard. Pale yellow peach fuzz covered his cheeks and jaw above the red ruin the knife had made of his throat. His long golden hair was still wet, as if he had been pulled from a bath. By the look of him, he had died peacefully, perhaps in sleep, but his brown-haired cousin had fought for life. His arms bore slashes where he'd tried to block the blades, and red still trickled slowly from the stab wounds that covered his chest and belly and back like so many tongueless mouths, though the rain had washed him almost clean. (SOS C III) We see a boy with a figurative (and probably literal) bloody beard, rain (as in the Reyne double-entendre of the famous song), and "tongueless mouths", which recalls what befell the Last Lord Tarbeck's mother and aunt: [Ellen's] daughters Rohanne and Cyrelle, whose husbands had been beheaded with Lord Walderan [Tarbeck], were taken alive, and spent the remainder of their lives with the silent sisters (accounts differ as to whether Ser Tywin first had their tongues removed). (Westerlands) Rumors abound of the last Lord Tarbeck's survival: Lady Ellyn’s elder daughter, Rohanne, was mother to a three-year-old son, remembered in the songs as "the last Lord Tarbeck. " The boy disappeared the day of the battle, never to be seen again. Those of a romantic bent believe that he was smuggled from the burning castle in disguise, grew to manhood across the narrow sea, and became a bard famed for his sad ballads. More reliable reports suggest that he was thrown down a well by Ser Amory Lorch, though whether this was done at the behest of Ser Tywin or without his knowledge remains in dispute. (Westerlands) If Lord Tarbeck is Bloodbeard, he's the utter opposite of a "bard famed for his sad ballads", but that rumor is nodded at by making the "warrior bard" Denzo D'han the "left hand" of his nemesis, the "sad-eyed" Tattered Prince. Rewinding, remember how Bloodbeard's has a "great bush of beard" and "fiery red" hair? People who think ASOIAF is full of "easy" mysteries might therefore guess he's a Tully— From the look of him, [Edmure Tully] had not shaved since she rode south; his beard was a fiery bush. (COK C V) —but they should realize that the "rhymes" in our Song are not so straightforwardly solved and read the sentences that follow that one as well: " Cat, it is good to have you safely back. When we heard of Renly's death, we feared for your life. And Lord Tywin is on the march as well. " So right after we see a "fiery bush" of a beard, like Bloodbeard's, we get the word "Cat" (as in Bloodbeard's "Company of the") and the image of Tywin "on the march", which is exactly what he did en route to wiping out the Tarbecks: When the [Tywin-led] Lannister host resumed its march to Tarbeck Hall, the heads of Lord Walderan and his sons went before them, impaled on spears. (Westerlands Essay) The real last Lord Tarbeck was born to Rohanne Tarbeck, whose mother was Ellen Reyne, a matriarch who dominated her Tarbeck husband. Again, the Reynes sigil was a Red Lion. It so happens that lion-ish details surround Bloodbeard: Bloodbeard, the savage commander of the Cats, was a roaring giant with a ferocious appetite for slaughter … (DWD tWB) Lions are cats that "roar". In ADWD, actual lions seem to have "ferocious appetites": "The lions are hungry. Two days since they ate. I was told not to feed them, and I haven't. " (Ty XI) And per ASOS "lions" savage— "We were still king's men, he said, and these were the king's people the lions were savaging. " (A III) —and slaughter: "But when the lions came through they took all our wine and milk and honey, slaughtered the cows, and put our vineyard to the torch. " (A VII) To be sure, Bloodbeard plainly "rhymes" with Robert as well, reminding us of Robert's dream of becoming "the sellsword king". Again: A huge man with a great bush of beard and a prodigious appetite for wine and women, he bellowed, belched, farted like a thunderclap, and pinched every serving girl who came within his reach. (DWD Dae VIII) All of this is Robert-y, and "Thunderclap" was the name of Robert's gyrfalcon and is also used when Robert pounds his fist on a table. (COK Dav I; GOT E VIII) The Robert "rhyme" highlights Bloodbeard's lusty nature and thus better connects Bloodbeard to Ellyn Reyne's verbatim "lusty" son Tion (brother to the last Lord Tarbeck's mother), since… Robert's lusts were the subject of ribald drinking songs throughout the realm… (GOT E VI) …and the Baratheon baby in Malleon's genealogical tome is called "lusty" as well. (GOT E VII) But actually, even the "thunderclap" motif smells like a reference to the last Lord Tarbeck when we dig a little deeper. How so? Look at the context for Robert's first "thunderclap": "Robert, I beg of you, " Ned pleaded, "hear what you are saying. You are talking of murdering a child. " " The whore is pregnant! " The king's fist slammed down on the council table loud as a thunderclap. (GOT E VIII) Child-murder! And pregnancy, which implies infants! These are the central elements of the story of the last Lord Tarbeck, which can't decide whether he was murdered by Amory Lorch (whose murder of another child was retroactively sanctioned by Robert) or whether he survived to live on in Essos. There's one more thing nudging us to believe Bloodbeard has a relationship with the Lannisters: Selmy likens Bloodbeard to the Ninepenny Kings— "Bloodbeard. " Ser Barristan's frown deepened. "If it please Your Grace, we want no part of him. Your Grace is too young to remember the Ninepenny Kings, but this Bloodbeard is cut from the same savage cloth. There is no honor in him, only hunger … for gold, for glory, for blood. " (DWD Dae VIII) —who Tygett just so happens to have helped defeat a year and a half before he marched with Tywin to destroy Houses Tarbeck and Reyne. A Figurative Reyne/Tarbeck? To be clear, it's very possible that Bloodbeard is not the last Lord Tarbeck, but rather is loudly coded as such in order to help us realize that Tatters, whom he hates so much, might just be Tygett Lannister, a man the actual last Lord Tarbeck would have a reason to hate as much as Bloodbeard hates Tatters. Certainly there's some metatextual element to all this, regardless. For example, it's probably not coincidence that the "fork-tailed blue-and-white banners" of the Windblown are akin to the colors of House Tarbeck— A seven-pointed star, parts silver parts blue, on a silver and blue field (Gyronny argent and azure, a star of seven points counterchanged) —(white and silver are both rendered as "argent" in heraldry), while "the Company of the Cat" is going to make more people think "Lannister" than "Tarbeck", and yet "in-world" this is merely a coincidence. And that's about all I have to say about Bloodbeard and how I think he intimates that Tatters is Tygett Lannister (and thus that Meris is Gerion). Tatters and Meris Let's now talk about something more mundane: how the descriptions of Tatters and Meris can be seen as encoding that they are Tygett and Gerion, the Lannister sons of Jeyne Marbrand and the great-grandsons of "The Grey Lion". Marbrand Departures As discussed in [my work on the whereabouts of Tygett's missing son Tyrek], Tygett's mother and wife are both Marbrands, and the way Tygett's son's "thick blond mane cascaded down well past his shoulders" compares with the way Ser Addam Marbrand's hair is described here: Ser Addam Marbrand was the first of the captains to depart, a day before the rest. He made a gallant show of it, riding a spirited red courser whose mane was the same copper color as the long hair that streamed past Ser Addam's shoulders. The horse was barded in bronze-colored trappings dyed to match the rider's cloak and emblazoned with the burning tree. Some of the castle women sobbed to see him go. Weese said he was a great horseman and sword fighter, Lord Tywin's most daring commander. I hope he dies, Arya thought as she watched him ride out the gate, his men streaming after him in a double column. I hope they all die. (COK Ary VIII) In turn, that entire description of Addam Marbrand quite pointedly "rhymes" with the way the Tattered Prince is described here: It took the Windblown less than an hour to strike their camp. "And now we ride, " the Tattered Prince proclaimed from his huge grey warhorse, in a classic High Valyrian that was the closest thing they had to a company tongue. His stallion's spotted hindquarters were covered with ragged strips of cloth torn from the surcoats of men his master had slain. The prince's cloak was sewn together from more of the same. An old man he was, past sixty, yet he still sat straight and tall in the high saddle, and his voice was strong enough to carry to every corner of the field. "Astapor was but a taste, " he said, "Meereen will be the feast, " and the sellswords sent up a wild cheer. Streamers of pale blue silk fluttered from their lances, whilst fork-tailed blue-and-white banners flew overhead, the standards of the Windblown. The three Dornishmen cheered with all the rest. Silence would have drawn notice. (DWD tWB) The similarities are patent and nod at the blood (and marital) ties between the two men. Both involve a quick departure: "A day before the rest": "less than an hour to strike their camp". "And now we ride" and "Astapor was but a taste" "in classic High Valyrian" smacks of Ser Addam's "gallant show". Both men's horses are described using the same syntactic structure ("spirited red courser": "huge grey warhorse"). Each horse's color matches its rider's hair, as called out in Addam's passage. Both men's horses' trappings are described and explicitly said/shown to match their riders' cloak. The motif of streaming is shared: Addam's hair and men, Tatters's streamers. In each case the narrator does not share the enraptured responses of those around them, whether "cheers" or "sobbing", but does nothing to betray their dissent. Finally, the virtues of both men as a commander are extolled. How so? A Commanding Voice, Yet Soft-Spoken It's flat out stated that Ser Addam is "Lord Tywin's most daring commander", but what about Tatters? When Quent notes that Tatters's "voice was strong enough to carry to every corner of the field", he's implicitly giving him credit as a commander: His father had always said that in battle a captain's lungs were as important as his sword arm. "It does not matter how brave or brilliant a man is, if his commands cannot be heard, " Lord Eddard told his sons… (SOS J VII) At the same time, Quentyn says Tatters is a "soft-spoken" man. Tywin exhibits much the same vocal range (so to speak): "So the wolfling is leaving his den to play among the lions, " [Tywin] said in a voice of quiet satisfaction. (GOT Ty VII) Lord Tywin was oft quiet in council, preferring to listen before he spoke… (GOT Ty IX) Lord Tywin Lannister rose to his feet. "They have my son, " he said once more, in a voice that cut through the babble like a sword through suet. (ibid) Lord Tywin rose to his feet. "We continue, " he said in a clear strong voice that silenced the murmurs. (COK S VIII) Tatters being "soft spoken" compares well to Tywin being "oft quiet" and speaking in "a voice of quiet satisfaction", and Tatters' "voice [being] strong enough to carry to every corner" is surely "a clear strong voice" and a "voice that [could] cut through the babble like a sword through suet", like Tywin's. Tall Tatters Quentyn implies that Tatters is tall, even though he's seated: An old man he was, past sixty, yet he still sat straight and tall in the high saddle … (DWD tWB) This compares almost perfectly with our introduction to Tygett's brother Tywin— Even seated, [Tywin] was tall, with long legs, broad shoulders, a flat stomach. His thin arms were corded with muscle. (GOT Ty VII) —whose height is also noted when seated. Tygett, Tywin, Kevan and Gerion are the sons of Tytos Lannister and Jeyne Marbrand. "Fat" Tytos is never hinted to be tall nor short. Nor is "portly" Kevan, who presumably takes after him. But Tywin is tall, lean and strong. It seems he inherits this from his mother, Jeyne Marbrand, given that Ser Addam Marbrand is described (elsewhere) using one word: rangy. ran-gy adj - tall and slim with long, slender limbs. Thus when rangy Addam departs Harrenhal he surely "sat straight and tall" as his cousin Tatters does when the Windblown strike camp. "Straight and Tall" Besides Tatters, the only character in ASOIAF to be described, verbatim, using the phrase "straight and tall", is Elder Brother— he stood straight and tall… (FFC B VI) —who [I've previously argued] is, like Tygett, a "dead" younger son of a great House: Prince Lewyn Martell. ASOIAF rhtmes. "An Old Man He Was, Past Sixty" Being "grey-haired" or having "silver-grey hair" like Tatters hardly suggests "Lannister" to most readers. After all, Tywin and Kevan are Tygett's older brothers, and Tywin's sideburns are still "golden" at the time of his death, while Kevan remains "blond" all over. (GOT T VII; DWD C I) Moreover, Tygett would be 50 or 51 in ADWD, having been 10 at some point 260, whereas Quentyn thinks this of Tatters: An old man he was, past sixty… (DWD tWB) If that's true, how can Tatters be Tyg? "Men see what they expect to see" is a mantra in ASOIAF. Expectations create their own reality and are a key part of ruses both magical and mundane. One such expectation? "Is Is Known" that Tatters is a 61-year-old Pentoshi Noble, even by the Maester who writes TWOIAF: Given the risks attendant to the office, not all the nobles of Pentos are eager to be chosen to wear the city's crown. Indeed, some have been known to refuse this ancient but perilous honor. The most recent and famous of these is the notorious sellsword captain called the Tattered Prince. As a youth, he was elected by the magisters of Pentos after a long drought and the execution of the previous prince in the year 262 AC. Rather than accept the honor, he fled the city, never to return. He sold his sword, taking part in battles in the Disputed Lands, then founded one of the newer free companies of the East, the Windblown. Tatters fled in 262, and from ADWD we learn he was 23-years-old when he did that, making him 61: The Windblown went back thirty years, and had known but one commander, the soft-spoken, sad-eyed Pentoshi nobleman called the Tattered Prince. His hair and mail were silver-grey, but his ragged cloak was made of twists of cloth of many colors, blue and grey and purple, red and gold and green, magenta and vermilion and cerulean, all faded by the sun. When the Tattered Prince was three-and-twenty, as Dick Straw told the story, the magisters of Pentos had chosen him to be their new prince, hours after beheading their old prince. Instead he'd buckled on a sword, mounted his favorite horse, and fled to the Disputed Lands, never to return. He had ridden with the Second Sons, the Iron Shields, and the Maiden's Men, then joined with five brothers-in-arms to form the Windblown. Of those six founders, only he survived. Frog had no notion whether any of that was true. Since signing into the Windblown in Volantis, he had seen the Tattered Prince only at a distance. (DWD tWB) The text immediately notes that the story might not be true, and highlights the fact that Quentyn thus far can't seem to get a good look at Tatters. Indeed, all our looks at Tatters focus on his cloak (as above) rather than his face and features, except when Quentyn secretly meets Tatters out of his "ragged raiment" and immediately remarks on how very different he appears. (See below. ) I don't doubt Dick Straw's story, though. I just don't think the man who fled Pentos and founded the Windblown is the man now calling himself the Tattered Prince. The sole surviving founder of a successful Free Company should long ago have become rich enough to live out his days in ease and luxury. Why continue to lead the company? He hasn't. The figurative mantle of command and the physical mantle of the tattered cloak were at some point in the last 14 years taken up by Tygett Lannister, who now rules in the original Prince's "name" and stead. As we're told: In the free companies, a man could call himself whatever he chose. (DWD tLL) "Knowing" Tatters is 61 goes a long way to making him look and be described as that old. I'll discuss his grey hair shortly, but let's first talk about the thing that lets Tygett "be" Tatters. His "Ragged Raiment" Whether the Prince's tattered cloak is knowingly imbued with a magical glamor, whether people's hallmark personal effects become naturally quasi-glamored on Planetos, or whether the cloak merely draws the eye and captivates the imagination, it's clear it has the effect of causing people to see Tatters in a certain light when he is wearing it, given what Quentyn sees and says when he meets Tatters without it: The Tattered Prince himself was seated at the table, nursing a cup of wine. In the yellow candlelight his silver-grey hair seemed almost golden, though the pouches underneath his eyes were etched as large as saddlebags. He wore a brown wool traveler's cloak, with silvery chain mail glimmering underneath. Did that betoken treachery or simple prudence? An old sellsword is a cautious sellsword. Quentyn approached his table. "My lord. You look different without your cloak. " "My ragged raiment? " The Pentoshi gave a shrug. "A poor thing … yet those tatters fill my foes with fear, and on the battlefield the sight of my rags blowing in the wind emboldens my men more than any banner. And if I want to move unseen, I need only slip it off to become plain and unremarkable. " (DWD tSS) This recalls what we're told about glamors and about people's personal effects— "The bones help, " said Melisandre. " The bones remember. The strongest glamors are built of such things. A dead man's boots, a hank of hair, a bag of fingerbones. With whispered words and prayer, a man's shadow can be drawn forth from such and draped about another like a cloak. The wearer's essence does not change, only his seeming. " (DWD Mel I) —particularly since Mel says glamors are literally "draped about another like a cloak". (Again, the poignancy of the verbiage remains whether the cloak is actually glamored or not. ) Tatter's claim that the cloak "fills my foes with fear" blatantly recalls what Lem says about the Hound's helm—the same helm that caused thousands to misidentify Rorge as Sandor Clegane. I see the following conversation as a template for what's going on with Tattered Prince Tygett: The biggest of the four wore a stained and tattered yellow cloak. "Enjoy the food? " he asked. "I hope so. It's the last food you're ever like to eat. " He was brown-haired, bearded, brawny, with a broken nose that had healed badly. I know this man, Brienne thought. "You are the Hound. " He grinned. His teeth were awful; crooked, and streaked brown with rot. "I suppose I am. Seeing as how m'lady went and killed the last one. " He turned his head and spat. She remembered lightning flashing, the mud beneath her feet. "It was Rorge I killed. He took the helm from Clegane's grave, and you stole it off his corpse. " "I didn't hear him objecting. " Thoros sucked in his breath in dismay. "Is this true? A dead man's helm? Have we fallen that low? " The big man scowled at him. "It's good steel. " "There is nothing good about that helm, nor the men who wore it, " said the red priest. "Sandor Clegane was a man in torment, and Rorge a beast in human skin. " "I'm not them. " "Then why show the world their face? Savage, snarling, twisted... is that who you would be, Lem? " "The sight of it will make my foes afraid. " "The sight of it makes me afraid. " (FFC B VIII) Sure, a helm's a helm, not a cloak, totally blocking the wearer's face. Thus it's easy for readers who assume identity and disguise in ASOIAF work like they (think they) do in our world to buy that people think Rorge or Lem is Sandor. But I firmly believe the cloak has a similar effect as the helm even if it's not glamored, creating expectation and assumption. Thus if the 50-year-old Tygett is the Tattered Prince, the fact that he has grey hair, giant bags under his eyes, and is "Known" to be a 61-year-old Pentoshi nobleman cause him to be seen as such, especially when he wears the eye-catching cloak known to belong to an older man—at least according to the neo-Shakespearean/Arthurian/classically-mythic rules of easy disguise GRRM has set up in ASOIAF. The idea that Tatters is a 50-year-old passing for 61 makes all the sense for another reason. It turns out Lannisters have a knack for being in various ways old beyond their years. Premature Aging Lannisters grow up quickly. Tywin was the youngest Hand in history. Jaime was the youngest Kingsguard ever. Even more relevantly, Tygett Lannister himself was killing grown men as a ten-year-old boy in the War of the Ninepenny Kings. Plainly he was a physically precocious young man. One might say he literally "aged prematurely", no? Does this hint that he continued to do so? And if you age prematurely, you might "grey" prematurely as well, right? By, say, 50? Just as Tygett seemingly has if he's the Tattered Prince. Lancel looking 70 at 17 underlines and even parodies the Lannister tendency to grow up quickly, seemingly validating the foregoing logic even as his trauma offers a reason to say "nothing to see here": Lancel looks worse than Father. Though only seventeen, he might have passed for seventy; grey-faced, gaunt, with hollow cheeks, sunken eyes, and hair as white and brittle as chalk. (FFC C II) Still, you can't say that portrait belies the idea that at a 50 year old Tygett could appear "past sixty", especially to those who "know" he "is". (Especially when Lancel being "grey-faced" reminds us of grey Tatters, all in grey. ) Lancel isn't the only prematurely aged character. At 21, Theon is (a) unrecognizable, and (b) an "old man"— " Who is this? " she said. "Where is the boy [Theon]? Did your bastard refuse to give him up? Is this old man his … oh, gods be good, what is that smell? …" "… Lady Barbrey, allow me to present the rightful Lord of the Iron Islands, Theon of House Greyjoy. " (DWD R III) —both of which are consistent with the idea that Lancel's uncles Tygett and Gerion could be hiding as a 61-year-old sellsword and a scarred woman, respectively—especially if Gerion was tortured and castrated, as I suspect he was, and just as Theon (probably) was. Again, rhyming. Guess who else "ages" dramatically in ASOIAF, such that he is unrecognizable by his own daughter? The maybe-Tattered Prince Tygett's brother Tywin: For a moment [Cersei] did not recognize the dead man. He had hair like her father, yes, but this was some other man, surely, a smaller man, and much older. (FFC C I) Sure, you say, but he's dead. True. But Tygett is "dead" too. (Note that these hints don't dictate that Tygett objectively looks old beyond his years. It could simply be expectation and/or glamor causing that. They're simply consistent with a 50-year-old Lannister playing the role of a 61-year-old, by whatever means. ) 50 or 61, 15 or 50 The general theme of Lannister ages being oddly fuzzy is born out by Jaime's vision of his mother Joanna: [Jaime] could not tell how old she [Joanna] was. Fifteen, he thought, or fifty. (FFC J VII) Tywin and Tatters: Old, "Yet" Young Tywin, too, is oddly said to have an appearance belying his age as well (albeit in the opposite direction): Tywin… was in his middle fifties, yet hard as a man of twenty. (GOT Ty VII) It's no coincidence that Tatters's posture is said to bely his (supposed) age in an identical fashion: An old man he was, past sixty, yet he still sat straight and tall in the high saddle… (DWD tWB) Grey-Haired Lannisters? Grey-Eyed Lannisters? Jumping back to that big description of Tatters, we see that his "silver-grey hair seemed almost golden ". Golden hair is the Lannister hallmark, of course, so I could simply say "told you so" and move on. But let's take the bull by the horns: Elsewhere he is simply called "grey-haired", which at first blush doesn't seem very Lannister. After all, Tywin and Kevan are Tygett's older brothers, and their hair color is still "golden" and "blond", respectively. (GOT T VII; FFC C II) Besides the very pertinent example of Lancel, are there any hints that they specifically grey early, belying the pattern set by Kevan and Tatters? And what about Meris's "grey" eyes, "cold and dead"? Pretty Meris stood cradling a crossbow, her eyes as cold and dead as two grey stones. (DWD tSS) Clearly she can't be Gerion Lannister, since everybody knows the Lannisters all have bright green eyes, like these: [Tommen] had [Cersei's] eyes, emerald green, as large and bright as Jaime's eyes had been when he was Tommen's age. (FFC C II) Or do they? The Grey Lion In The Hedge Knight and TWOIAF, we learn of Ser Damon Lannister, "The Grey Lion". At minimum, introducing a character called The Grey Lion associates Lannisters with the color grey, which surrounds Tatters. (Literally: Tatters's "canvas castle" is a "great grey sailcloth pavilion". ) But I think Damon had prematurely grey hair (like Tatters) and grey eyes (like Meris), and hence that some of his descendants (like Tygett and Gerion) might as well. Why do I think so? Damon the Grey Lion almost certainly wasn't some "old greybeard" when he was given his nickname. Indeed, I think we can deduce that he was probably only about 40 when he died in the Great Spring Sickness (which explicitly killed even young men). We're told: Following the Grey Lion's passing in 210 AC, his son Tybolt succeeded him as Lord of Casterly Rock, only to perish himself two years later [in 212] under suspicious circumstances. A young man in his prime, Lord Tybolt left no heir of the body save for a daughter, Cerelle, three years of age [thus born c. 209], whose reign as Lady of Casterly Rock proved cruelly short. In less than a year, she too was dead, whereupon the Rock and the westerlands and all the wealth and power of House Lannister passed to her uncle, Gerold, the late Lord Tybolt's younger brother. (TWOIAF) If Damon the Grey Lion's heir had his first child in 209, the Grey Lion was probably between 32 and 50—most likely 40-ish— when he died in 210. The fact that Damon's younger son Gerold was still unmarried in 211 (the year when The Sworn Sword, in which he is mentioned as a suitor for Rohanne Webber, takes place) tends to support this chronology; as does Damon jousting ably at Ashford Meadow in 209. (tSS; tHK) The Grey Lion's Grey Hair Damon likely got his nickname in part because his hair went prematurely grey, making him appear—like Tatters—older than his years. We know he wasn't yet called the Grey Lion c. 196 AC— In the years that followed, the Lannisters stood with the Targaryens against Daemon Blackfyre, though the Black Dragon's rebels won victories of note in the westerlands—especially at Lannisport and the Golden Tooth, where Ser Quentyn Ball, the hot-tempered knight renowned as Fireball, slew Lord Lefford and sent Lord Damon Lannister ( later famed as the Grey Lion) into retreat. (TWAOIF) —so logically grey hair plays a role in his nickname, since hair changes color. And clearly he had grey hair by 209 AC given the way Dunk juxtaposes "The Grey Lion" against his explicitly "golden-haired" son in The Hedge Knight: The Grey Lion of Casterly Rock struck the shield of Lord Tyrell, while his golden-haired heir Ser Tybolt Lannister challenged Lord Ashford's eldest son. Tatters having "silver-grey hair [that] seemed almost golden… in the yellow candlelight" jibes with him being a 50-year-old Lannister with a famously prematurely grey great-grandfather. It also jibes with having a slightly older sister whose hair is also already grey. What do I mean? Genna's hair is oddly never described, yet she twice refers to herself as "old". (GOT T VII; FFC C II; Jai V) Is she a grey lion(ess)? I suspect the Grey Lion wasn't named only for his hair, though, but because his greying hair matched his eyes. The Grey Lion's Grey Eyes Isn't it curious that the Grey Lion's eyes are pointedly averted in Dunk's POV in The Hedge Knight, giving Dunk/GRRM an excuse not to mention their color? "Lord Lannister, Ser Arlan unhorsed you once in tourney. " The Grey Lion examined his gloved hands, studiedly refusing to raise his eyes. I think we get a subtle clue that his eyes are grey via Baelor Breakspear, though: "At King's Landing sixteen years ago, [Ser Arlan of Pennytree] overthrew Lord Stokeworth and the Bastard of Harrenhal in the melee, and many years before at Lannisport he unhorsed the Grey Lion himself. The lion was not so grey then, to be sure. " (tHK) Sure, the easy reading is that "not so grey" only means that his hair was less grey, but I suspect it hints that Damon Lannister was always somewhat grey, because he had grey eyes, like Meris (who is Gerion a. k. a. "Gery", a play on "Grey"), in addition to grey hair, like Tatters. Make no mistake: We already know Lannister eyes are not always like the eyes of Cersei, Jaime and their children. Tyrek Lannister (son of Darlessa Marbrand and Tygett, embodying the Marbrand/Lannister combo that begat his father Tygett) seems not to have these deep green eyes: [Ned] could not help taking note of the two squires: handsome boys, fair and well made. One [Tyrek] was Sansa's age, with long golden curls; the other [Lancel] perhaps fifteen, sandy-haired, with a wisp of a mustache and the emerald-green eyes of the queen. Ned distinguishes Lancel from Tyrek in part because of Lancel's Cersei-like eyes, implying Tyrek-son-of-Tygett's eyes aren't emerald-green. Neither are the eyes of Tygett's sister Genna's son, Cleos: This Ser Cleos Frey was a son of the Lady Genna who was sister to Lord Tywin Lannister, but he had none of the fabled Lannister beauty, the fair hair and green eyes. Instead he had inherited the stringy brown locks, weak chin, and thin face of his sire, Ser Emmon Frey, old Lord Walder's second son. His eyes were pale and watery and he could not seem to stop blinking, but perhaps that was only the light. (COK C I) Catelyn thinks the green eyes Cleos doesn't have are part of "the fabled Lannister beauty", to be sure, but notice that she does not include Cleos's eyes in the litany of traits attributed to Emmon. Yes, "watery" eyes are absolutely Frey-ish, but no other Frey has "pale" eyes. Who does have "pale" eyes? Tywin. His eyes are never just "green", always "pale green", and their paleness is memorable, such that Tyrion is reminded of Tywin's eyes when he sees Griff's "pale" eyes of a wholly different color: I do not like his eyes, Tyrion reflected, when the sellsword sat down across from him in the dimness of the boat's interior, with a scarred plank table and a tallow candle between them. They were ice blue, pale, cold. The dwarf misliked pale eyes. Lord Tywin's eyes had been pale green and flecked with gold. (DWD Ty III) Thus it seems like Genna is responsible for Cleos's eyes being "pale". Sidebar: Griff's "pale… blue" eyes reminding Tyrion of Tywin is also a metatextual clue that the Windblown, whose lances are adorned by "streamers of pale blue silk", are "related" to Tywin as well. End Sidebar So what color are Genna's eyes, and how pale? Perhaps a green so pale they seem almost grey? Pale, after all, refers to an absence of color— pale adj 2. of a low degree of chroma, saturation, or purity; approaching white or gray —and Cleos's eyes are never given a color. It wouldn't be the craziest thing in the world for Genna, Tygett, and/or most saliently Gerion "maybe-Meris" Lannister to have grey eyes, since their paternal grandparents are Gerold the Golden (son of the suspiciously-eye-averting Grey Lion) and Rohanne Webber, whose eyes in a visionary dream appear at once "gray and green": Her eyes were gray and green and full of mischief. (tSS) Later, Dunk makes a comment to Rohanne— "That green becomes you well, m'lady, " he said. "It brings out the color of your eyes. " —that could speak to why Tatters garbs himself all in grey, if he is Rohanne's grandson, has similarly grey-green eyes, and wishes to hide his Lannister lineage: he's bringing out the grey. It's also very curious that Rohanne's husband prior to Gerold, Ser Eustace Osgrey, had "sad grey eyes", a description evoking the duo of (Rohanne's putative grandchildren) "sad-eyed" Tatters and "grey" eyed Meris. Eustace's eyes are also… …a paler shade of gray, and full of sadness… (tSS) …reminding us of pale-eyed Tywin and Genna's pale-eyed son Cleos. Surely that's genetically meaningless, though: After Eustace died, Rohanne then married Gerold Lannister, and they begat all the Lannisters in our story. True, but consider this. Given that Rohanne married Eustace after they spent a night reminiscing about his dead son, Addam, whom she'd previously loved, isn't it plausible that after Eustace died, she wed the Grey Lion's son Gerold in part because Gerold reminded her of Eustace … perhaps because Gerold's eyes were like Eustace's pale, "sad grey eyes", "full of sadness". Makes perfect sense if sad-eyed Tatters and grey-eyed Meris are his grandsons. She Was All In Grey Phenotypes aside, Damon isn't the only Lannister (besides grey-faced Lancel) associated with grey like Tatters is. Tygett's "dead" cousin, Joanna, wears grey when she mysteriously appears to Jaime: But it was not Cersei. She was all in grey, a silent sister. (FFC J VII) The Smoke-Grey Marbrands Tygett and Gerion aren't just Lannisters, though. They, like pale-eyed Tywin, are Jeyne Marbrand's sons as well. We're never told what color eyes any Marbrands have, but we do see House Marbrand associated with a particular color: Marbrand seemed visibly relieved to be ahorse again, wearing the smoke-grey cloak of his own House instead of the gold wool of the City Watch. (FFC J III) Grey, again. I'd say there are far worse guesses to make regarding the eye color of Tygett or Gerion than "grey". CONTINUED IN OLDEST REPLY HERE.

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